The spectrum of isolation: From bare metal to WebAssembly

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34 points | by ThierryBuilds 3 hours ago

5 comments

  • creata 2 minutes ago
    venv and sandboxes are such categorically different things that painting it as a spectrum the way this article does is more misleading than helpful.

    I also think the article shouldn't mention chroot. From the man page:

    > In particular, it is not intended to be used for any kind of security purpose,

    I guess it could be part of a sandbox, but there are better tools for that purpose.

  • bmitch3020 13 minutes ago
    The spectrum comes with multiple tradeoffs, and isn't a simple "bare metal is more secure" narrative. Because as you move into VMs, containers, and code sandboxes, you lose isolation which increases risks, but you also gain capabilities to limit the application which decreases risk. So I believe the most secure approach is layered with much multiple types of isolation working together.

    For example, you may isolate a specific customer to bare metal so an escape doesn't compromise other customers. But within that bare metal, you may run containers because they make it easier to work with a read only root filesystem that's also trivial to upgrade. You can also add on user namespaces and seccomp in the container to minimize the risk of a container escape. And then the application may have its own sandbox that limits individual capabilities and which API calls it can run.

    Every use case is different, and some layers may not be available depending on that use case. But rather than picking one point on the spectrum, one should pick a list of technologies that best solve each use case.

  • ThierryBuilds 3 hours ago
    I wrote this because I kept seeing developers (myself included) confuse language-level isolation like Python venv with OS-level isolation like Docker. I wanted to trace the actual technical boundaries between them.

    The article maps out the differences between common execution environments—from physical bare metal and VMs to containers, process sandboxes, and virtual environments—to create a mental model of where the "isolation boundary" actually sits for each tool.

    • ianand 2 hours ago
      Since you mention serverless it might be worth mentioning firecracker and v8 isolates.
      • pjmlp 59 minutes ago
        Or CGIs running on httpd inside HP-UX Vaults, that is how old the idea happens to be.
      • ThierryBuilds 2 hours ago
        Thank you for the feedback. I will definitely add them as example solutions for serverless.
    • lateral_cloud 1 hour ago
      Did you really write it though? Within the first paragraph it's fairly obvious this is heavily LLM-generated.
      • aragilar 39 minutes ago
        It also has weird definitions. Is nix a virtual environment? Is homebrew a virtual environment? Why is a sandbox different to a container? Type-1 vs Type-2 hypervisors are quite different, and there's no discussion about processes vs threads.
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  • shevy-java 2 hours ago
    WebAssembly somehow does not seem to be able to break-through, unlike HTML, CSS, JavaScript did.
    • mickael-kerjean 1 hour ago
      Or the people who write wasm don't talk too much about it. My OSS work (https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash) has tons of it:

      1. to create web versions of applications that are traditionally desktop only to render things like Parquet, PSD, TIFF, SQLite, EPS, ZIP, TGZ, and many more, where C libraries are often the reference implementations. There are almost a hundred supported file formats, most of which are supported through WASM

      2. to create plugins that extend the backend and add your own endpoint or middleware as a way to enforce the code run in a constrained environment without the ability to send people's file out

      3. in the workflow engine to enable people to run their own sandboxed scripts without giving those a blank check to go crazy

    • thecupisblue 1 hour ago
      It is more of a silent thing. Running in the background, internal libs, deployment tools, plugin tools.

      But also - it's lacking things like a unified positioning + required knowledge to understand it is quite large compared to average dev + most people have no real use for it. It's mostly too "abstract high level" and "low level" for most devs.