Juggalo Makeup Blocks Facial Recognition Technology (2019)

(consequence.net)

116 points | by speckx 3 hours ago

22 comments

  • echelon_musk 2 hours ago
    Shamelessly hijacking this story to recommend The Private Eye digital comic [0]. Set in a future where everyone has normalised the wearing of masks in public to preserve their anonymity. The protagonist refuses to get a driving license because he wouldn't want a photo of himself in a database.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Eye

    • GinsengJar 8 minutes ago
      You got any other comics to recommend in this style/genre? Cyberpunk, dystopia, etc
  • beau_g 9 minutes ago
    It would be interesting to first create a taxonomy of juggalo face paint patterns a la aruco markers/April tags, then see if a sufficiently large crowd of juggalos could be used to calibrate cameras
  • wr639 7 minutes ago
    So maybe they may be smarter then they get credited for being. Probably not. But now anyone feeling uncomfortable about facial recognition tech now know what they can do to combat it if they chose. One question. Can you get thru the airport and onto a plan wearing the makeup?
  • mcv 1 hour ago
    Not surprising at all. It's a form of dazzle camouflage that has previously been shown to confuse facial recognition[0]. It's probably possible to design it to be more effective yet less intrusive than juggalo makeup.

    I would have actually expected it to be more popular by now.

    [0] https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/

  • throwway120385 21 minutes ago
    The only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology is to make a constitutional amendment that limits its use privately and publicly. We keep fighting it technologically which is an arms race. A cultural solution is the only path forward that will see meaningful success.
  • throwawaypath 52 minutes ago
    Did I accidentally sleep in a time machine? Front page of HN right now has articles on Juggalos and Afroman.
    • iguana_shine 33 minutes ago
      The Millennials are getting nostalgic
      • butlike 25 minutes ago
        It's so funny when a member of the younger generation comments. Younger generations are always trying to kill off the older generations. Both physically and metaphorically, too!

        It makes sense in a way. If you were actually successful in doing that, you could finally make the world in your image instead of having to work around all those pesky "legacy" viewpoints that hold back the True Progress of the Younger Generation. But alas, the older generation still exists, because the younger can't do it.

        But do continue with the passive aggressive comments. While it keeps me spry, you still get paid entry-level wages when you should be kings.

        • dlev_pika 13 minutes ago
          As a xennial I wish we had successfully “killed” the boomers, but instead we have 3 septuagenarians blowing shit up all over the world

          We failed so hard

          • frereubu 2 minutes ago
            Yeah, great anticipation for the undoubtedly forward-looking xennial Mojtaba Khamenei in Iran.
      • cucumber3732842 3 minutes ago
        They're getting old, and with that enough of them are getting rich. And that makes them worth pandering to so they can be parted from their money. See for example all the commercials that feature 90s crap and political talking points intended to appeal to them.
    • oceansky 45 minutes ago
      The early 2000s are back baby
  • general_reveal 0 minutes ago
    Fucking magnet, how do they even work?
  • soopypoos 2 hours ago
    I wonder if I'm more likely to get denied entry wearing juggalo face or classic camo paint
    • QuantumNomad_ 2 hours ago
      Depends. Are you attending an ICP concert, or a military reenactment convention, or something else entirely?
  • ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago
    I guess LiveNation won't be running ICP concerts, then...
    • world2vec 1 hour ago
      They'll just charge an additional makeup fee...
  • bigfishrunning 2 hours ago
    Miracles all around us
    • 1-more 1 minute ago
      Here's the thing about "fucking magnets; how do they work?" How do magnets work? No less a science communicator than Richard Feynman—he of the rubber sheet gravity spacetime analogy—had no analogy to communicate why ferromagnetism creates attraction and repulsion. Here's his incredibly shaggy dog non-answer to the question about how magnets work wherein he says that there are no pat answers to "why" questions. He gets to the money line: "I cannot explain that attraction in terms of anything else that's familiar to you" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

      So I will defend that line in the song. I will only accept answers from people who can explain why ferromagnetism works to me assuming I know how electromagnets create magnetic fields.

    • Forgeties79 1 hour ago
      You could throw on the SNL skit or the real video and frankly I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference
  • Larrikin 1 hour ago
    In 2018 it was already common knowledge that gait analysis was more accurate than facial recognition at the time. This would have been defeatable then.
    • water-data-dude 47 minutes ago
      Gait recognition is also easier to defeat. All you need is to put something like a few pebbles or coins in one of your shoes
    • glenstein 46 minutes ago
      I think dazzle camouflage is best understood as having limited scope of application as pertains to face recognition. It shouldn't be regarded as failing within its intended scope on account of gait analysis. Everyone knows you have to learn the juggalo dance moves to go along with the face paint.
    • beepbooptheory 1 hour ago
      How are everyone's gaits being collected? Is there gait databases at the NSA? Not being skeptical! Honestly very interesting.
      • a2tech 50 minutes ago
        We only have discussions of the Chinese rolling out gait tracking widely. Basically you use existing facial databases to match ids to people in observed areas and capture their gait as they pass observed areas. Then it goes into the database. Using partial matching (non ideal observation of gait or face) allows for greater positive matching in non-ideal circumstances.
      • nemomarx 51 minutes ago
        You could compare gaits between footage of a crime and footage of you in another public place, probably?

        I don't think I've heard of it being used though.

  • hackitup7 1 hour ago
    I'll make sure to wear my Juggalo makeup the next time I visit China to avoid their face scanning technology. That'll surely help me blend into the background.
  • dsiegel2275 21 minutes ago
    Also blocks magnets.
  • refulgentis 2 hours ago
    Clickbait, it’s a couple tweets microwaved and the 3rd paragraph is “well, except for modern facial recognition”
    • everdrive 2 hours ago
      This feels like the real-life equivalent of that old Family Guy joke where Peter is with a squad of dudes in Vietnam but is dressed like a clown. He says something to the effect of "You guys are stupid. They're going to be looking for army guys." Outside of the absurdity of the situation, the joke is that the guy dressed as a clown obviously stands out even more.

      Juggalo makeup might block some facial recognition tech, but you also paint a huge target on yourself.

      • teddyh 23 minutes ago
        There’s an xkcd: <https://www.xkcd.com/1105/>
        • jpsouth 9 minutes ago
          I genuinely believe there's an xkcd for everything. I was only reading about the creator, Randall Munroe a few days ago and he's clearly very talented.
    • fer 1 hour ago
      >covering features impacts accuracy of feature-based classifiers

      More new at 9. Plus it's from 2019.

  • schmeichel 2 hours ago
    Where my Juggalos at??
    • NickC25 2 hours ago
      1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, sitting behind the resolute desk. That person wears more makeup than some of the performers on RuPaul's Drag Race.
      • garciansmith 23 minutes ago
        "By the time Presidents Jay and Dope were elected, western civilization had officially fucked itself over forever, and I think everyone knew it." https://homestuck.com/006765
      • nathan_compton 2 hours ago
        Don't sully the good name of Juggalos this way.
  • pgporada 2 hours ago
    Whoop whoop
  • lucasay 2 hours ago
    I’m more curious about how robust this is against modern systems. A lot of newer facial recognition models are trained on occlusions, masks, and heavy makeup — so this might be less effective than people assume.
    • saalweachter 1 hour ago
      It's not actually an oversight or training failure; as one of the six societies which secretly rule the world, the Juggalos simply demand to be exempt from facial recognition.
      • atomicnumber3 1 hour ago
        Juggalos, bronies, 9th doctor fans, billionaires, royals (baseball team), and royals (landed nobility)?
        • saalweachter 39 minutes ago
          In _Inside Job_, it was Juggalos, the Illuminati, the Catholic Church, Cognito Inc [the main feature of the show, kind of the Deep State], the Atlanteans, and the Reptoids.
    • amanaplanacanal 26 minutes ago
      I'm wondering how well the Zenni optical ID guard coatings actually work.
    • stackghost 1 hour ago
      It's likely that e.g. wifi-based gait analysis can be deployed to defeat this.

      The only saving grace is you can't run that against video surveillance footage.

      • fc417fc802 34 minutes ago
        But you can run video-based gait analysis against video surveillance footage. You can also index physical fingerprints other than the face.

        Maybe I should start wearing a hazmat suit with an opaque faceplate whenever I leave the house.

  • gethwhunter34 47 minutes ago
    counterpoint: this assumes everyone has the same constraints. not always true
  • Findecanor 2 hours ago
    (2019) ... but sadly increasingly relevant.
  • yacin 1 hour ago
    maybe it's just from being covered in Faygo?
    • alexjplant 1 hour ago
      Faygo is unironically delicious. They used to sell them for $1 a pop (Midwestern pun intended) on the East Coast in gas stations. Diet varieties of Orange, Moon Mist, and Root Beer were personal favorites.

      No idea whether this is still the case as I haven't seen them in years.