Show HN: How much of Hacker News is about AI?

(hnstats.com)

70 points | by beekthos 21 hours ago

22 comments

  • Dwedit 19 hours ago
    The topic of an article being AI and an "AI-Generated Article" are two completely different things.
    • stronglikedan 19 hours ago
      Agreed. "How much of Hacker News is about AI?" would have been a more accurate title.
      • dang 17 hours ago
        Thanks, we've abouted the title above.
        • beekthos 15 hours ago
          Thanks, I appreciate it!
    • beekthos 15 hours ago
      Agreed it is confusing and as I mentioned earlier in a different comment, it made sense in my head reading it until someone else pointed it out. Looks like they've amended it to make it clear.
    • chilipepperhott 19 hours ago
      I don't believe that is their point.
      • stronglikedan 19 hours ago
        It's not their point as stated in the description, but it is the point inferred from the title alone. "How much of Hacker News is about AI?" would have been better.
  • caminanteblanco 20 hours ago
    Would there be some way to see what percentage of the front page meets those qualifications? I don't browse /new very often, so I have less of an idea of how representative that is. It would be interesting to see if they trend similarly.

    Thanks for the cool project!

    • beekthos 20 hours ago
      Yeah, that's probably the main limitation right now. This is measuring /new, so it's every submission rather than just the stuff that makes the front page.

      lcamtuf's survey (linked in the footer) was looking at the front page, and the number there was quite a bit higher. So there's likely some effect from voting, although I haven't dug into that yet.

      I think Algolia has a way to filter for front-page stories, which should make it pretty easy to add. I haven't tested that yet though but will certainly look into it!

  • missingpackage 20 hours ago
    At first I thought about how many posts were written by AI
    • beekthos 20 hours ago
      Most of the time things make sense in my head until someone points it out haha. I should have written it as "related to AI" or something like that.
      • missingpackage 9 hours ago
        I have mixed feelings about it, honestly. I may be biased because AI is my job but in my case specifically, when it comes to posting on social media AI really helps me communicating better what I'm trying to communicate without that feeling of i-forgot-to-write-that. If this makes sense . But I understand that people is probably overreacting because of the huge amount of nonsense stuff that is being posted nowadays by some people who really abuse it to farm visuals
    • whatisthiseven 19 hours ago
      Multiple times authors have been asked about AI usage on HN, because readers (rightfully) suspected it was AI written. I don't have a problem with AI written articles, or assisted.

      But then the authors lie or make ludicrous excuses for why their article "sounds" like AI. Then I check with Pangram and yep. It is completely AI written.

      You get a few free checks on Pangram each day or so. Just start checking and encourage people to be honest.

      AI has its place. Lying about it and misrepresenting it makes everyone dislike AI more, even as they use it themselves.

      • p-e-w 19 hours ago
        > Then I check with Pangram and yep. It is completely AI written.

        “AI detectors” do NOT work reliably.

        Even humans who are ever-so-certain about being able to identify AI usage constantly embarrass themselves when that claimed ability is put to the test. Look up “AI Monet Instagram” for a social experiment where hundreds of cocksure users pointed out “AI signs” in what was claimed to be an AI-generated painting in the style of Monet, but was actually a genuine Monet.

        • hakunama 14 hours ago
          This reminds me of the Hank Green incident, when he said, "I appreciate the pushback". If you watch that 14 second clip, anyone who uses AI will notice that. But watching the whole video, the context makes sense. But that didn't matter to most folks who just heard those 14 seconds and assumed that he was reading an ai script with chat residue left inside.
        • sebastiennight 17 hours ago
          Monet's often been classified as A Genius Impressionist, so arguably one step above A.I.
        • whatisthiseven 15 hours ago
          Yes, they do work.

          Pass enough of someone's work through one, such as Pangram with a low FPR, and you can gain confidence.

          Add in your own intuition plus multiple scans of someone's work, plus any weird claims they make, and you can raise the certainy bar.

          There is room for error, but come on. To say they don't work at all and you can't combine multiple methods to come to reasonable conclusions?

          I'll accept it is with fault. The problem could be alleviated if people just were honest about the use of generative AI usage and others didn't judge so harshly the use rather than the outcome.

          I said at the start I don't care if it was used. I just want honesty.

          • p-e-w 12 hours ago
            Are you willing to take responsibility for accusations you make based on snake oil technology?

            That is, if you claim that something posted by someone else is written by AI, and that turns out to not be the case, do you accept that others have the right to call you a liar and a fraud?

            Or is it that when you say “I just want honesty”, you really mean “I just want to be able to throw around accusations of AI usage based on my hunches and a number displayed on a website”?

  • rzmmm 20 hours ago
    It's remarkable how stable 20-30% show HN concentration is after late 2022, for the extended stats.
    • beekthos 20 hours ago
      The Show HN volume went 805/month to 4,199/month over that same time period, so from 3.2% of all submissions to 13.4%, while HN overall only grew 1.3x. So the flat ~24% held through a 5x expansion in the denominator, which makes it a lot more interesting honestly.
  • waldrews 18 hours ago
    Every technical topic involves AI now. Even if it's about why the ancient Greeks didn't turn their steam engines to industrial use - the AI's should be researching the details. We might as well ask which topics involve humans or use language.
  • lanewinfield 19 hours ago
    I expected this to call out the number of links that are obviously vibe coded, like itself!

    If you see:

    - ALL CAPS subheaders

    - a light beige background

    - burnt sienna anchor and/or highlight text

    - a "• LIVE" (or really any pulsing • symbol with an ALL CAPS follow-up)

    - tons of variation in font sizes (this one has 15 different text sizes!)

    - more typically, a lot of overexplaining

    ...you know it's vibe'd, specifically with Claude!

  • noxss 19 hours ago
    Interestingly, we can deduce that the actual percentage will always be higher since not everyone uses those labels/words.
  • sharemywin 21 hours ago
    it would be cool to use embeddings to categorize into like 10-20 categories and get a giant pie chart
    • beekthos 21 hours ago
      Not a bad idea. I'd look at creating a separate page for embeddings. Crypto and NFT's would be the next best candidates to add. Something for me to work on over time.
  • kingkemol888 18 hours ago
    This is a good project!
  • hartator 19 hours ago
    Would be curious to see how many comments are AI generated.
    • blitzar 18 hours ago
      I wonder what the longest chain of Ai on Ai comments are.
    • beekthos 15 hours ago
      Working on it!
  • bklosky 20 hours ago
    you could fetch the text from linked blog posts over time and run 'em through pangram, I bet >20% of blogs linked on HN today are totally LLM written
    • beekthos 19 hours ago
      Several people have asked for this already, so I'll add it to my to-do list. I just want to be careful about flagging posts that appear to be written by AI. Perhaps I set certain thresholds of certainty to filter by. What I have currently is easily verified and matched by the words we are filtering for.

      It is also interesting to note that I have already received 5 AI written emails to the email I linked in the footer.

    • smokel 19 hours ago
      An estimated 2,000 articles per month at 2,000 words per article would result in 4,000,000 words, which costs either $200 or $2000 to process at Pangram [1]. It might make life a lot more enjoyable for many users here, though.

      [1] https://www.pangram.com/pricing?category=developers

  • geludobre 16 hours ago
    AI itself, is an increasing topic, overall, in our day-to-day personal and professional life. It's either embrace it now, or cry later.
  • ChrisArchitect 19 hours ago
    Related:

    How Much of HN is AI? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49435728

    • beekthos 19 hours ago
      Yes! This post was the inspiration and is credited in the footer.
  • lupire 19 hours ago
    Who would do this project and not use an LLM to classify what counts as "AI"?
  • Vaslo 19 hours ago
    I tried to click on the link at work and it got blocked as "pornography".
  • regexman1 21 hours ago
    Brilliant
  • noobplus 20 hours ago
    And so comes the AI comments as many as the AI posts just saying for fun
    • beekthos 20 hours ago
      Something to maybe track later would be /newcomments, but that would only grab the most obvious comments. People can certainly direct an AI to write in a style that sounds human, but I'm sure it'll still catch a fair amount.
    • ForOldHack 20 hours ago
      If you read a lot, you start to get a feel for phone typos vs AI hiccups. I can guarantee that is post was made by a brain designed to eat berries in a cave. Almost all the another posts look a bit scary.

      I think I misunderstood - how many posts were about AI vs how many posts were written by AI.

      I obviously am suffering from berry fog.

      • noobplus 20 hours ago
        Exactly yep. Maybe even more when time machine has been invented by that AI bot in far future I meant the number of comments by AI(-bots)
  • xpct 20 hours ago
    Good. Now do what % of posts link to AI generated articles.
    • grey-area 19 hours ago
      That would be a much more depressing statistic.
  • philipwhiuk 19 hours ago
    Recursive given that this is AI generated from another post on how much AI was on HN.
  • zhixingheyi2023 9 hours ago
    [dead]
  • marshblocker 18 hours ago
    You don't need a website for this.